Weiner presents 2 different concepts of creativity in chps 9 & 10: Western and Non-Western. What does he state are the main differences between the two? What is your personal experience with either? Both? Got an interesting link that illustrates his point?
Weiner says the the Western idea of creativity is that the process is endless and relies on discovering something new. His thoughts on the Non-Western creative process is that tradition determines the conditions. I found this link of from the Beijing Olympics in 2008. A very creative performance, that still relied heavily on tradition. The piece is discussed at 1:14.
ReplyDeletehttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RUy9OgRRXnw
i think what weiner is saying is that western creativity is more modernized and more for the new eras. of course our fore fathers are were we get our creativity but we dont stay in the past we move forward. Non-western ideas i think are traditional or follow the western ideas.
ReplyDeleteIm not too sure if this is a good link but these are two different but similar mechines, Ones from japan and one is from America
Japan:
http://blog.japantimes.co.jp/japan-pulse/gachapon-grows-up/
http://www.japan-i.jp/japannow/d8jk7l000004szmz.html
America:
http://www.candymachines.com/Candy-Gumball-Toy-Vending-Machines-C12.aspx
I think that Weiner believes that Western concepts of creativity have to deal with capitalism and the individual more. The western concept focuses more on entrepreneurship, therefore people want to "create" things more to gain money and "success" from it. In Non-Western societies I think that creativity deals more with the society as a whole, because since they all have a similar religion they are more skewed toward a certain way of thinking. This therefore leads to people "creating" similar things. I think that a good example of Western creativity is Steve Jobs from Apple, because he created the devices to be successful, and in the long run it ended up revoultionizing technology. A good example of Non-Western creativity is the mosque that a religious group probably built together to honor their gods.
ReplyDeleteWestern:
http://www.iphonespies.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/06/steve-jobs-apple-iphone.jpg
Non-Western:
http://www.norrispeery.com/images/mosque_one.jpg
I think what Weiner is trying to say is that In Western culture there are so many creative minds influenced by their own imagination, whereas in Nonwestern culture people are influenced by their religion making them more traditional, and they seem to follow one concept.I create what I imagine, like Western culture.
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The main difference Weiner points out between Eastern and Western culture is that Eastern culture is pretty much basic, set in its ways. They utilize their resources, but don't really think about ways to expand them or make them better. Western culture is known for expanding and making better their resrouces. A good example of this is how often new cell phones are being put out. I feel like everytime I get the newest phone, a month later a better, faster, bigger screen one comes out!!!
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Weiner is saying that Non-Western is traditional and is based off what has been set in stone for years. It is hard to change what is already believed. As for the western culture, it is constantly expanding with entrepeunership. They allow room for innovation and change for the better.
ReplyDeleteIn the first link shows the Palm Pre that has a slide up keyboard and the next link shows the same phone, smaller, sleeker with the keyboard attached. This shows how fast technology can be created and how much ideas, comments from customers as well as innovation can be a great influence in society today.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Hk8IzdwYEA&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PbcnH0h69NY&feature=related
Western tradition is always growing and moving forward, to where non western tradition sticks with what they know and are content as is, so they keep thinking the ways their ancestors thought and follow the same concepts and religion. Ever since the Europeans started moving west, so have their ideas and innovations. We, as westerners are also mind set into believing we should always move forward and be greater and better than the rest. So typically we think western culture is "better" than all other cultures.
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Non western ideas are said to be more traditional and more likely to follow a set of rules while western ideas are more out there and less likely to follow a set or rules/ regulations. Weiner says that traditional societies determine the condition of creativity while modern society is determined by the creative activity within it( pg 144).
ReplyDeleteI personally think that western and non western creativity builds off of one another. Western creativity is going out and building things like iphones which carry internet, music, video chatting ect but that all started with just a regular phone. A regular house phone is basically going back to the basics/fundamentals which is what non western culture is.
In my opinion, I believe that Weiner is stating that in Western culture, we are more modernized in the sense that each individual is creative in his or her own way. Whereas in Non-Western culture, it is more traditional. Where the creativity springs from certain social classes, like the rich.
ReplyDeleteWiener states that creative came from both Western and Non-Western, comparing their similarities and differences. Western was more open to Individual Creativity, and Non-Western was more of a group creativity. For example, Non-Western creativity was proclaim in Religion or the growth of Industry; while Western creativity was portrayed in specific people. I am a very balanced women when it comes to these things and I believe that you need both, Non-Western (traditional) and Western (Modern). Where would Modern grow from? In the future, there's a great possibility of our "Modern" becoming the "Traditional" to the next generation.
ReplyDeleteThere are many points that differentiate traditional vs. nontraditional creativity. One of the main points I thought was most interesting was both societies treasure things that are unique. However, what separates the two is that modern societies (nontraditional) tend to treat what is most common as least precious, and something that is mass produced almost always as uncreative. While in religious (traditional) societies, even the most crudely made, mass produced objects are valued and honored.
ReplyDeleteNow a days, I do not believe a society can be one or the other. There must be balance between the two the types of creativity. It is said often that people resist change. If that were the case, everyone would still believe the world is flat.
Western cultures give more value to new ideas. On the other hand non western cultures are not there yet. Most of them are poor, so they don't see or appreciate the new ideas. They have other things to deal. They are stuck with what had been built. Because they are not rich, they don't get many immigrants so they stay in their own pool. The ideas generated are all coming from same kind of minds.
ReplyDeleteSo I think thats true Capitalism leads the creativity. It is mostly about money. Only rich people would like to pay 6000 dollar for a painting to hang it on their wall, so the painters in rich countries paint more.
So Weiner basically says nonwestern cultures are more conservative and they are creative in a traditional way, while the western cultures are more open minded for new ideas.
ReplyDeleteAnd above I gave my opinion to explain why it is like that.
O.Ilkim Saracel
I think that Weiner is pretty much saying that the western culture has a more creative mind; looking forward into new ideas, new stuff that will innovate the world! On the other hand, Non-Western is more traditional, meaning that they are always following to what it is already written?existed. i believe that i see myself in between both culture because i sometimes prefer to have just simple stuff, but then when i see those new stuff, for instance cellphones, i get crazy about it because there is not such thing as having internet in your phone! even though it is expensive! ahaha :)
ReplyDeleteAccording to Weiner, Westerns, that are more modern and innovative, always keep track on endless discoveries or new inventions, value the masterpieces as commodities and admire every unique ideas regardless of race, gender…In contrast, Non-Westerns, that lives in the more traditional ways, set up and follow tons of rules, beliefs. They do not only value the past, religions and art masterpieces but also put limits on every behavior, classes, and gender…
ReplyDelete“Creativity” always needs a framework or a basic to continue building up and developing. But it doesn’t mean that you must live in the traditional way. Without breaking up rules, we could not move forward. Therefore, balancing between tradition and modern would be the best.
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This is Vietnamese Bronze Drum, which is one of the most valuable masterpieces. However, in the US, it might be considered uncreative because it has a lot of repetitive details and routine patters, which could make this one, look boring and uncreative.
Weiner states that traditional creativity is finding ways to take something that has remained constant and lasted throughout time, and doing little things or making subtle improvements upon that traditional thing. Non-traditional creativity is taking something as simple and mundane, or a simple concept, like transportation, and revolutionizing it ala the invention of the automobile.
ReplyDeleteMy link is a music video for a song called "Umiyuki" by a guy named Jero, an African-American man who sings Japanese enka. He takes this ancient, traditional art of enka music and singing, a staple of Japanese tradition, and blends it with modern day hip-hop-esque culture and style, mixing together traditional AND non-traditional creativity.
http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x4ua4p_jero-umiyuki_music
Weiner says that non-western creativity is more bounded and limited because the idea has standards to be followed . One the other hand , even though western creativity is founded by non-western creativity , it has the ability and potential to expand without social limitations . Since the sky's the limit , western creativity tends to be more advanced and more towards the future . I am set in the middle . Without either sides contribution , we would have not discovered anything , for better or worse .
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Weiner is saying is that western creativity has given birth to all kinds of new religious movements, from the Mormons, Christian scientist, reconstructionist Jews, to various new age movements. Also nonwestern cultures are more conservative in what they do and use in a creative and traditional way, Where the western cultures are more open minded for new ideas and can less conservative.
ReplyDeleteAccording to Weiner Western creativity is modernized and Non western creativity is more traditional. as I think western creativity is live by less rules, in other words more relaxed. They have freedom to create anything they want. However tradition creativity keeps everything under control. it's respect the nature and society. according to my perceptions, traditional/ Non western creativity serves as a model to the future.
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watch this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MphdRo5_7Us&feature=related
must watch this! amazing work!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IwjXm15B1GU
Weiner is saying that the non-western culture is very traditional, making a living off what they need. He also says that the western culture is innovative and rebellious, so we are always constantly changing and raising our standards of living. I am traditional in my household because i do not rebel against my parents. I follow their traditional rules, which are basically working and going to school. But i am also a part of the western culture because i am a user of the modern technology.
ReplyDeleteThis is a funny video that has both western and non-western ideas. The video is based on traditional Amish living ways, but the video itself is very creative, even though it was a parody.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lOfZLb33uCg&ob=av2e
What he is saying is that the non-western is so much the same as the western even though they have there own ways they are still the same.
ReplyDeleteI follow my family's tradition because its so much fun and you get to spend lots of time with the family.
westerns are more modern while non westerns are more traditional.
ReplyDeletehttp://www.worldstarhiphop.com/videos/video.php?v=wshh4EDrB1KD3IHMFygV
-posted by Jamal Clark
Aly Rajah
ReplyDeleteI believe that weiner is trying to tell us or emphasize the big C and little c concept, there always has to be a base which is the traditional ways then the little c's build witch therefore leads to modern ways.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wmXQFwlD7vk&ob=av2e
adam lambert is unique in his own way and i feel he creates his music yet he incoorporates vampires, Elvis, and thriller from Micheal Jackson yet still being original
so i think this video is a perfect example of the big c little c example
As Weiner points out, the differences between creativity in a traditional culture and a western culture is the concept of individual vs. the whole. In the traditional culture, groups focus more on the community and nature when it comes to creativity. Respect for ancestors and traditions are also a concept in a traditional culture. In a western society, groups celebrate "individuality, authorship, and ownership". Western cultures are more focused on the success of the creative product/method rather than the process. In my life, i feel that i follow both the traditional and western culture concepts of creativity It's kind of hard to accept one and reject another because I was taught with both concepts.
ReplyDeleteCreativity, traditional vs modern. one might say that traditional does not really show any creativity because traditionalist frown upon thinking out side the box which is normally were creative things come from. but one can also look at these too view from a different light. big C and little c. meaning modernist, or big C, create things from nothing they create new and what might be considered weird things. once these things are accepted as normal they the traditionalist, little c, can go and alter them in their own "creative" way.
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this shows big vs little c
James Duncan
ReplyDeleteI think Weiner is explaining how western cultures come up with more modern forms of creativity than non-western cultures. He's saying that traditional forms of creativity in western cultures aren't necessarily dead, but aren't practiced as much as non-western cultures. The U.S. for example focuses more of our creativity on entertainment/products, because it is possible to make a lot of money based off those potentially creative ideas. Other non-western cultures tend to focus on more traditional forms of creativity such as art. While Americans use their creative talents for personal profit, other traditional cultures use their creative talents more for personal satisfaction.
Natsumi Nishi
ReplyDeleteOne of the main differences that Weiner explains about the traditional vs western is that creativity can be put into the law of copy right and a patent. The creative becomes an individual property and not something of the groups. While a traditional society may say that you must imitate to learn the western is you dare not. Also the western side has a tendency to think of traditional as primitive and barbaric making it a more negative view.
I personally think that both modern and traditional has it's good points where one keeps moving forward but the other retains their roots and origins. I think that cultures that take in both are will succeed the most.
I think the main difference in these forms of creativity is the focus on the self or the lack thereof. In the traditional model pushing for rapid change is considered selfish. In the modern model all there is is the self. NO one ever has any help along the way. There were never any circumstances that may have made creation possible. I can't recall much personal experience with either mode, but Malcolm Gladwell's book Outliers can somewhat explain the factors that make success/change possible. Jay-Z really likes that book.
ReplyDeletei think that traditional ways has it's pros and cons. i like traditional because since people would have a central religion they would all have the same basic morals. whereas in modern days everyone is free to any religion or none at all which causes people to be on different pages on issues.
ReplyDeleteWiener portrays that the Western concept of creativity is more modern, and the Non-Western concept of creativity is more Traditional. Modern creativity is more related to new inventions, ideas, cultures, military, power and such. Traditional creativity is related to the basics of most cultures; what came first in primitive worlds. I personally favor the more Modern type of creativity because I'm a science major, and I love the new technological/scientifical/medical breakthroughs that happen in the Modern world. Modern physics is much more appalling than Classical physics.
ReplyDeleteFor example, in astrophysics, we have recently discovered Dark Matter in space, which occupies 96% of the known universe to this date. Everything we can see out in space only covers 4% of what we experience.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mpJk-vQajh8&feature=related
he basically states that western creativity is based on what could be and that non-western creativity is more grounded in traditions. Modern creativity is about expanding upon the ideas that already exist while non-western creativity is about working with what traditions already stand. For me, branching out from what is to what can be is how I compose music because without that, my music would fall under a cliche radio-worthy category
ReplyDeleteWhat Weiner says about traditional and western is that traditional is more about respecting your elders, keeping the same traditions from generation to generation. Then there is the western side which are the people that try to create more technology and modern breakthroughs. What I believe in is both, I do have the traditions that my parents and grandparents have sent to me. But also i did live in the modern world, where all the new technology is made.
ReplyDeleteThe link below is a person showing her native country during a war through sand art.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=518XP8prwZo&feature=fvst
weiner is saying Western culture accepts and encourage creativity. Western culture has no unifying religion so there is less restriction on creative opportunity. Non-Traditional culture have rules and regulations so they are limited to creative opportuinity.
ReplyDeleteGillian kpodjie
Weiner basically states that modern creativity is like making new ideas or products. Traditional is basically like use things for mutable uses like using pantyhose has a paint strainer.
ReplyDelete-Justin Neuschwander
Weiner talks about creativity as making something new. This is the modern view about creativity and although it is a sense of being creative, it is not all creativity is. Traditional views kind of takes old objects and uses them in a way that far exceeds what it's original purpose was for. I honestly tend to think that the modern way of creativity is more creative, but that is only my opinion.
ReplyDelete-Brendon Gill
Weiner states that the western cultures are rebellious and are more open to creativity. They encourage creativity and elaborate on the ideas based on traditional roots. Non western mode of creativity is more traditional in that they make use of what they have. Their religion and culture play a major part in their creativity.
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Weiner states that Western has more of a "modern" concept in creativity. They are more of an individualistic, not afraid of rapid change culture.and with many choices. Where as Non-Western still bases its concepts on "traditional" ways.They keep it to the basics and simple. You know whats funny that most of our new innovations come from "traditional" Non-western yet the "modern" Western always thinks they are ahead....(Just a comment)
ReplyDeleteI come from a Non-Western "traditinal" contry where they believe in keeping it simple to not create chaos.... and then my family decides to come to a Western "modern" country where change and individualistic seems to be the foundation of life. Sometimes it can be hard to balance both concepts out.
Leticia
Weiner says that while Non-Western is more "traditional", Western is more "modern"...or new. Western civilization accepts creativity; they allow people to be innovative. In non-western civilizations, people tend to stick to what was created already; the foundation of their culture. I guess I can say I come from a household that has a mix of the western style and non-western ideology. It's only because I'm a lot more modern than my parents. -.- Talk about clash right there.
ReplyDeleteWeiner states that Western is more about expanding new ideas where non-western is about basics that. For me I believe that we need new ideas to progress forward.
ReplyDeleteAccording to Weiner in chapters 9 and 10, he states that the Western concept of creativity is more "modern." The Western concept of creativity gives room for innovation and new ideas without many limitations. While the Non-Western concept of creativity, on the other hand, is more built on "traditional" ideas and beliefs, along with rules and regulations. There are limits to how creative you can be when following the Non-Western concept of creativity. Although the Western concept of creativity is built upon Non-Western beliefs, it gives people more room to grow and be creative. I myself, have not had any experience with Non-Western traditional beliefs. Although at times, my parents were strict, but all in all I've always had the freedom to be creative and grow. As for a link that illustrates his point, I have nothing that comes to mind.
ReplyDeleteIn the book weiner states that western tends to be more modern, always creating new ideas. While the western tends to stick to their roots.
ReplyDeleteIn my opinion, western always wants something new or different. Western likes to keep things traditional, to set a boundary for future generations.
--Mark Eroles
In chapters 9 & 10, Weiner talks about the "Western" and "non western" culture. "Non western" cultures tend to be more traditional cultures, that have had set practices and religions for many years.
ReplyDeleteHe goes on to say that the "non western" culture lacks creativity because more traditional cultures are threatened by their encounters with the dominant western culture.
As far as personal experience goes, i can easily say that i have a first hand exposure to the differences for traditional vs western culture. My mother was born and raised in Tokyo, Japan, and my father was raised in the United states since he was a 17 years old. My father is definitely much more "westernized"
Humi 01-creative minds
8:30-9:20
Erica pagoulatos
The main differences Weiner is trying to explain between "western" and "non-western" is that the western culture is more modern. Western culture is up to date and is always trying to do something different. "Non-western" cultures are traditional. They are used to their practices and always want to pass them down from generation to generation.
ReplyDeleteI like to keep my family traditions going but as the years move on, new things become more ideal to take the place of old traditions. Everyone is trying to lose the pass by making new things up. traditions are dying out. That's what i believe.
What i think wiener is trying to say is the main difference between wester and non-western is that western culture is more modern and non-western is traditional.traditional culutures dont allow or encourage creativity because they only stick with what they know. As oppose to western culture they encourage creativity and are not afraid to change traditions for the better. I personally like the traditions my family has passed on generation to generation, but people shouldn't fear change because as time passes things change.i believe that people over time have to adapted to the world today but they shouldnt forget about their roots.
ReplyDeleteI think Weiner had some good arguments for each concept, he basicly said everything traditional was once a modern point, and something modern and unique becomes a household thing like a car for example...
ReplyDeleteIn chapter 9 and 10 they talk about the differences about modern and traditional thinking. The main point i got from traditional think was most things derived from nature and naturalist thinking. While modern thinking is the original/radical thought then it becomes a traditional thought. When you break it down there was one modern/radical thought then that idea is now the norm and becomes a traditional thought. Then they take traditional thoughts and slightly tweak them to create "new modern" thoughts.
ReplyDeleteI believe weiner is trying to say that in the non western tradition people tended to thrive more on their natural instict. People back then where only limited to what they knew. As things begin to evolve we start to see more morden ideas which is considered western. Western ideas are built upon the pricnciples of yesterday. For example as what to Prof Sanders says about the big C little c. Phones were created as a whole. But iphones derives from the idea of phone. What was modern back then is know basic to us. And thats an ongoing cycle.
ReplyDeleteWiener teachs us alot about modern and traditonal cultures, traditonal cultures are like religion and basic princles we have used alot, while modern can be anything new that well be or in being used in the present right now.
ReplyDeleteWeiner states that western culture is more modern, for example, in order for a culture to grow, they expand and lavish on new ideas, preferably things that are different. "Non-western" cultures are traditional cultures that are passed down from generation to generation as an attempt to prevent a loss of order.
ReplyDeleteI feel that that tradition is losing itself in the modern world, however for me sometimes its a relief to just settle back to "old school" because we're familiar with it.
Weiner basically states that traditional creativity focuses on previous creativity based on customs, beliefs (religion) and nature. They have minimal freedom to stray away from their customs, but have been able to integrate creative ways to keep their culture alive today. Where as Western creativity encourages the expression of oneself and has little limitation to what you can create. Western culture allows us to question our tradition, explore individuality and praise being innovative.
ReplyDeleteA good example could be the comparison of my relatives over seas and myself. Their choices reflect upon their country and reflective of their customs. They do not question religion, society or their tradition. Not claiming they have no freedom, but more restrictions on social behavior that may be acceptable in the US but may not be so there. Growing up in the US, I was always encouraged to be creative through writing as well as arts and crafts. I learned that I had to strive to be different and to stand out in a crowd, even with religious views and customs from my past generations the Western culture is more approving of change, looking down upon imitating the before.
The main difference Weiner points out between Eastern and Western culture is that Eastern culture very basic and seems very set in its ways. Eastern will continue to be the same. I think it's much like traditional. Western is always changing and growing. There is always something that has to be cutting edge, something bright and flashy! I see western as I-pod evolution, every couple months you see a new one.
ReplyDeleteThe main difference that Weiner present between this two Western and Eastern culture, for example in the technology different that most Western culture trying to make better product and use the resource very well. They always introduced the newest ideas and they always bring us the bran new product to the world. Eastern culture is much more of basic idea and not much of creative. Here is my opinion of Eastern, they quickly following the western culture and most of the copy cat is from Eastern. Fake I phone, burning new movie and video game, but you can save cash and get the same quality.
ReplyDeleteAccording to Weiner there are many differences about the concept of creativity between two "western" and "non-western",and one of the difference he states that "non western" tend to keep their creativity by their own ways, usually tend to more traditional than the "western". "western" tends to break out the traditional rules to explore the new concept about the creativity.
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