Welcome to The Creative Mind! This discussion-based class examines how creativity is formed and how creative actions have been used to express all aspects of humanity. We will spend time focusing on the formation of creative boundaries and how those boundaries can be broken. This blog is your place to play with the ideas discussed in class. Enjoy!
Monday, October 18, 2010
Coloring Inside The Lines
Choose an artist/innovator mentioned in chps 1-6 by Weiner. How do they follow the rules of the accepted idea of creativity for their time? How do they break those rules?
Galileo had to follow the ideas of the of accepted culture if he didn't he would of been exile and or killed by the church. The rules that he was supposed to being following were created by the church and essentially said the church is always right. When he did come up with an invention it had to follow those rules set by the church. This is true but at times he had to break the status quo of the church and went against it as in the case of him proving the church was wrong about the earth being the center of the universe.
Leonardo da Vinci was a man who interlocked the world of science, art and technology. He followed the rules with his beliefs that behind his art was a deeper meaning. Renassiance thinkers alwats viewed art as a direct imitation of divine ideas. He broke the rules because before the renaissance, art & technology was not viewed upon as creative & him brings the 3 worlds together changed it up.
Michelangelo was told to paint the Sistine Chapel, and he did so in his own way. During this time was the renaissance, a time where people started to understand and appreciate the past while at the same time using that as a base to understand what is new and different from the past. Artists had the idea at that time that they were imitating nature in their works so they were not technically "creating" something that was new, however in these works that they "created" it was their own interpretations of what was imitated. Therefore when Michelangelo painted the Sistine Chapel he stayed within the limits of his time by not entirely creating something new because he was imitating nature. But his painting was also breaking the limit of creativity because his painting represented what he was interpreting from nature and his interpretation was his own original new idea.
Plato was one of those guys from Ancient Greece that went against things that had been followed by his fellow people for hundreds of years. He was a philosopher that believed yes, things were made by a "god" or "gods". That's where he did follow but he also said that these creations from the god were only imitations of what was there the whole time. The god used material things to create another material world. He said that whatever the humans on earth made were just "imitations of imitations and that made them far removed from the truth." (pg. 35, Weiner) For Plato, there will always be eternal ideas from which everything comes. Nothing is new.
Many apprentices in the Medieval West signed their master's name, instead of their own, in order to honor their master. Imitation of christ, the saints and masters was considered good and proper. In 1215, the Magna Carta was signed by King John of England, and new rights and freedoms of citizens were established. The painter Giotto helped transform medieval Christian works by painting naturalism, nature and dramatic emotion. His work, signed as his own, made the viewer imagine he or she was on the same plane. He almost completely disbanded from the traditional master signature on a Christian-Inspired painting. He allowed other artists such as Ambrogio Lorenzetti to branch away from the traditional art-forms.
The Greeks only wanted people to follow tradition of the Gods and not create something new. Plato and Aristotle had ideas that shaped western thinking because of their creative way of thinking. They made people realize something creative was made because it was influenced by something else that already existed. It seems like no matter who you are, it is human nature to be creative.
Aristotle followed the rules of creativity of his time because he believed that creativity came from an imitation of something else. For example art and poetry. However, he also thought that being creative was having a skill or skills in something that could be learned through practice or taught.
Despite the creative poems Homer created back in Ancient Greece, he credits the goddesses as creative and not himself. This can be seen in his two famous works: Iliad and the Odyssey. Both of them lead us to the fact that the "Gods seem to determine almost all of the human action." Greek ideals at the time praised people to follow "tradition and the gods, not to invent something new" which is why Homer had to dedicate his works to the Gods and not himself. However, the Greeks ended up worshiping the Iliad since there was no bible at the time. Because of that, Homer did invent something new, he invented a book that united the Greeks.
Plato followed the rules of creativity at the time because he believed that talent came from the gods, and the divine world. He also believed that the arts were imitations of nature. He stated that when an artist comes up with something new, he is deemed as "dangerous to society or immoral", when really in fact he is just imitating an eternal idea that already exists in some form. This means that everyone only has limited responsibility for their work, since it's already been created in some way.
Aristotle Followed rules of creativity because he believed creativity came from inspiration from somewhere else. He believed creativity was not just given, but you have to practice at it. I don't believe he was executed, so he must have been following some rules
Leonardo da Vinci in some ways followed the rules of his time by not signing many of his paintings and by making sure he listed his inventive-engineering talents before his artistic abilities. But soon enough Leonardo and many other artists raised the status of creative and during the Renaissance it helped there grow respect for artistic individuals. Leonardo believed that experience was the greatest teacher and that the medieval attitude of following traditional authorities was foolish and thought “anyone who relies upon authority uses, not his understanding, but rather his memory”.
I agree with the above post. When Leonardo da Vinci was listing off his skills to the Duke of Milan, he made sure to mention his inventive-engineering talents before his artistic ones. He did this because during that time artists were looked down upon and were viewed as lower class people. This eventually changed though after artists like Leonardo created legendary pieces of art. And now even to this day art is one of the biggest forms for expressing creativity.
Leonardo De Vinci was a man of are and who believed that his art had a very deep meaning to it. He didn't believe in the same way as the Renaissance and that is why he is so popular with his are work, his work was created to bring down the rules and help the world become as one.
Galileo Galilei was one of best creative persons in this world. His creative achievements include improvements to the telescope and consequent astronomical observations. He has been called "father of modern observational astronomy". When a large majority of philosophers and astronomers subscribed to the geocentric view that the Earth is at the centre of the universe, he argued and proved that sun is at the centre of the universe which is so called heliocentric view. He followed the rules of creativity, such as being unique, supporting the society, appealing, therefore we should consider him as a creative person.
Aristotle followed the rules of his time because he believed that creativity was only an imitation of something else. Creativity processes obey fully natural laws. aristotles theory of creativity provides an imitation basis for basic art forms.
The Greeks believed in God and smaller gods. They believed the gods gave humans the idea of creativity.Plato was a philosopher.He believed people can be creative because we are made my God who is the creator.Galileo had to follow rules set up by the church during his time of creativity.
Plato believed that creative power in every art and craft, comes from the Greek gods themselves, thus accepting creativity since it were the gods' inventions. He also believed that the arts were imitations of nature. Everything an artist does, knowingly or not, is imitating nature, and thus also an imitation of an eternal idea. Also, Plato believed that "truth" was more superior than being simple material things.Throughout Plato's writings, it is also asked of others to "imagine" and to "envision" ideas, as that every craft is a valuable art.
Galileo was one of the examples given in the past reading. He had to abide by the rules given and set by the church and rule. He was a man of much imagination and curiousity. Of course this rule following wasnt always used becasue he knew different. Since the church was the supreme power they were always considered to be right. So when he came out with the idea that thte world was round and not flat, it took the people by suprise, and the church of course did not like this at all. When he broke these set rules & guidlines he was reprimanded.
Da Vinci was a true innovator. His art and drawings have gone onto inspire. He truly thought outside the box. Some of his sketches were rough drafts for inventions that were brought to light years after he thought of them first. While his creativity was able to flourish during his time, it also was not fully in line with counterparts.
Galileo and his superior version of the telescope is an example of how he abided by the rules of creativity at the time while managing to break some. With his version of the telescope, he abides by the rules of creativity because of his reasoning of the telescope's use as a naval-military tool, becoming a valuable inventor to the city-state. However, with the telescope, the belief that the Earth was the center of the universe was challenged, leaving church authorities trying to resist but failing. :)
Leonardo da Vinci is one of the most talented person ever to have lived. He was able to put his visions of the world through his art. Leonardo's work are unique because of the innovative techniques, knowledge of anatomy, light, and geology, and his interest in ways the human can show expression, gesture, and tone. However, during his time his creativity wasn't as admirable as it is today,
Even though "art", "craft" and "techne" were not viewed as creative at the Renaissance time, Leonard De Vinci claimed that "painters" were a "second God" as s the poets. Throughout his imagination and painting, nature was a primary example. He did not only observe, depict the subject but also express the spirit of the subject in paintings. Kept being innovative has brought him such a success until centuries later. He become even more famous than at the Renaissance time.
Leonardo Da Vinci, a man who intrigued many of his time with the blending of art, science, and innovation. In a way he followed the rules of creativity of his time by creating paintings such as the Mona Lisa, but also broke them by taking it to another level with such things as the Vitruvian Man. Now all of his works are known by many throughout the world.
Plato believed that creativity was a recollection from previous lives he did not believe in creating something new."He thought that only by making something following eternal anyone will make something good and beatiful." Plato believed that a craft or any type of art was made by a person it was just imitation of what the gods had already created that no one was creative on their own,or that nobody was born with a special talent. It was all owed the Gods.
Aristotle believed that creativity is a imitation of something else. He did follow the rules during his time but he also believed that creativity is something that can be taught or practice.
Abbot Suger is during the medieval period followed the idea of creativity of his time. His gothic church that he directed was made in the image of heaven. The church adorned with jewels, stained glass, beautiful paintings, etc. In a way that he breaks the rule is that during that time their was a rift in the thinking in the church. those who thought that the adornment of painting and jewels and elaborate design for prayer was "satanic," that people were being attracted to worldly possessions rather than devoting themselves to god.
Aristotle states that imitation, harmony and rhythm are natural to us and it is okay to delight in works of imitation or take inspiration from others and represent them in your way. I believe he followed the rules of creativity of his time because of what he believed.
Leonardo Da Vinci was an inspiration. His paintings weren't just colors blended together. He broke the boundaries by putting art, craft and technology together. At the time there was no real technology or art in the Renassiance. He also reflected his paintings upon society and how he saw the world.He incorporated tone, gestures, and spirit into his paintings that showed the world's visions.
Plato was a philosopher of the Greek and followed the concept of their gods specific for creating certain things. Creativity to him meant to follow the concept of their gods creating things. Therefore humans to him should be creating things
In the early times before the Renaissance, poets, artist, and thinkers were not accepted as "creative". Leonardo Da Vinci somewhat followed the rules of his time by speaking of his inventive-engineering talents before his artistic abilities and also did not sign his works. But, this eventually changed. Leonardo Da Vinci believed that the medieval attitude of toward following traditional authorities was foolish. Leonardo applied art, science, technology, engineering to his great works of art and eventually helped raise the status of artists, which gained growing respect for creative, artistic individuals.
Homer claims that the gods are creative and give credit to them entirely for his success. In his works Illiad and Odysseus, he showed that their fate was in the hands of the gods. The Greeks believed people should follow tradition and the gods and not be creative. His works, showed the Greeks that their fate was in the hands of the gods.
Leonardo Da Vinci is perhaps the most revolutionize painter in history, his drawings are almost in every persons houses. he was an innovator and through his knowledge he took painting to a different level influencing people. All of his paintings had a deeper significance and in someway expressed what was going on during that time.
Lenoardo Da vinci i believe is a wonderful inspirational painter of his time. He pushed many boundaries with his works , and many people viewed his paintings in a "weird" but influential way. He was considered the "Renaissance Man" of his time, and was respected by many people. In addition to being believed as the smartest man of his time, he also expressed his creativity in a very individual way, that reached out to people, and expanded their creativity with his art work.
The great Greek philosophers such as Plato, Socrates, and Aristotle were the very first people to break the Greek tradition of creativity. Weiner mentions the "invention" of philosophy and science by Greek thinkers might be viewed as breaking the cyclical perspective. Their new way of theorizing consisted in asking about the causes or first principles of things and coming up with natural, materialist, or abstract answers, as opposed to anthropomorphic, mythological ones. Both the questioning approach and the concern with origins relate to creativity.
Plato had a traditional mind state because he followed the rules of creativity. He believed that everything was created by gods, and those things were just imitations of the natural world. Others believed that change and modernized ideas were not beneficial to society and perhaps even hazardous. But he believed that if the gods created us, then we have the ability to create as well.
Leonardo da vinci, he is the one who considered to be one of the greatest painters all the time and he is a very talent person. He have his own believed and the meaning of his arts. his mind and his personality are mysterious and superhuman.
Galileo had to follow the ideas of the of accepted culture if he didn't he would of been exile and or killed by the church. The rules that he was supposed to being following were created by the church and essentially said the church is always right. When he did come up with an invention it had to follow those rules set by the church. This is true but at times he had to break the status quo of the church and went against it as in the case of him proving the church was wrong about the earth being the center of the universe.
ReplyDeleteLeonardo da Vinci was a man who interlocked the world of science, art and technology. He followed the rules with his beliefs that behind his art was a deeper meaning. Renassiance thinkers alwats viewed art as a direct imitation of divine ideas. He broke the rules because before the renaissance, art & technology was not viewed upon as creative & him brings the 3 worlds together changed it up.
ReplyDeleteMichelangelo was told to paint the Sistine Chapel, and he did so in his own way. During this time was the renaissance, a time where people started to understand and appreciate the past while at the same time using that as a base to understand what is new and different from the past. Artists had the idea at that time that they were imitating nature in their works so they were not technically "creating" something that was new, however in these works that they "created" it was their own interpretations of what was imitated. Therefore when Michelangelo painted the Sistine Chapel he stayed within the limits of his time by not entirely creating something new because he was imitating nature. But his painting was also breaking the limit of creativity because his painting represented what he was interpreting from nature and his interpretation was his own original new idea.
ReplyDeletePlato was one of those guys from Ancient Greece that went against things that had been followed by his fellow people for hundreds of years. He was a philosopher that believed yes, things were made by a "god" or "gods". That's where he did follow but he also said that these creations from the god were only imitations of what was there the whole time. The god used material things to create another material world. He said that whatever the humans on earth made were just "imitations of imitations and that made them far removed from the truth." (pg. 35, Weiner) For Plato, there will always be eternal ideas from which everything comes. Nothing is new.
ReplyDeleteStephanie Courter
Many apprentices in the Medieval West signed their master's name, instead of their own, in order to honor their master. Imitation of christ, the saints and masters was considered good and proper. In 1215, the Magna Carta was signed by King John of England, and new rights and freedoms of citizens were established. The painter Giotto helped transform medieval Christian works by painting naturalism, nature and dramatic emotion. His work, signed as his own, made the viewer imagine he or she was on the same plane. He almost completely disbanded from the traditional master signature on a Christian-Inspired painting. He allowed other artists such as Ambrogio Lorenzetti to branch away from the traditional art-forms.
ReplyDeleteThe Greeks only wanted people to follow tradition of the Gods and not create something new. Plato and Aristotle had ideas that shaped western thinking because of their creative way of thinking. They made people realize something creative was made because it was influenced by something else that already existed. It seems like no matter who you are, it is human nature to be creative.
ReplyDelete-Karla Loera
Aristotle followed the rules of creativity of his time because he believed that creativity came from an imitation of something else. For example art and poetry. However, he also thought that being creative was having a skill or skills in something that could be learned through practice or taught.
ReplyDeleteDespite the creative poems Homer created back in Ancient Greece, he credits the goddesses as creative and not himself. This can be seen in his two famous works: Iliad and the Odyssey. Both of them lead us to the fact that the "Gods seem to determine almost all of the human action."
ReplyDeleteGreek ideals at the time praised people to follow "tradition and the gods, not to invent something new" which is why Homer had to dedicate his works to the Gods and not himself. However, the Greeks ended up worshiping the Iliad since there was no bible at the time. Because of that, Homer did invent something new, he invented a book that united the Greeks.
Plato followed the rules of creativity at the time because he believed that talent came from the gods, and the divine world. He also believed that the arts were imitations of nature. He stated that when an artist comes up with something new, he is deemed as "dangerous to society or immoral", when really in fact he is just imitating an eternal idea that already exists in some form. This means that everyone only has limited responsibility for their work, since it's already been created in some way.
ReplyDeleteAristotle Followed rules of creativity because he believed creativity came from inspiration from somewhere else. He believed creativity was not just given, but you have to practice at it. I don't believe he was executed, so he must have been following some rules
ReplyDeleteLeonardo da Vinci in some ways followed the rules of his time by not signing many of his paintings and by making sure he listed his inventive-engineering talents before his artistic abilities. But soon enough Leonardo and many other artists raised the status of creative and during the Renaissance it helped there grow respect for artistic individuals. Leonardo believed that experience was the greatest teacher and that the medieval attitude of following traditional authorities was foolish and thought “anyone who relies upon authority uses, not his understanding, but rather his memory”.
ReplyDeleteJames Duncan
ReplyDeleteI agree with the above post. When Leonardo da Vinci was listing off his skills to the Duke of Milan, he made sure to mention his inventive-engineering talents before his artistic ones. He did this because during that time artists were looked down upon and were viewed as lower class people. This eventually changed though after artists like Leonardo created legendary pieces of art. And now even to this day art is one of the biggest forms for expressing creativity.
Leonardo De Vinci was a man of are and who believed that his art had a very deep meaning to it. He didn't believe in the same way as the Renaissance and that is why he is so popular with his are work, his work was created to bring down the rules and help the world become as one.
ReplyDeleteGalileo Galilei was one of best creative persons in this world. His creative achievements include improvements to the telescope and consequent astronomical observations. He has been called "father of modern observational astronomy". When a large majority of philosophers and astronomers subscribed to the geocentric view that the Earth is at the centre of the universe, he argued and proved that sun is at the centre of the universe which is so called heliocentric view. He followed the rules of creativity, such as being unique, supporting the society, appealing, therefore we should consider him as a creative person.
ReplyDeleteNipuni, Gurunnanselage Dona
Aristotle followed the rules of his time because he believed that creativity was only an imitation of something else. Creativity processes obey fully natural laws. aristotles theory of creativity provides an imitation basis for basic art forms.
ReplyDelete--Mark Eroles
Aristotle followed the rules of creativity during his time because he gave credit to a higher power for his creativity instead of himself.
ReplyDeleteThe Greeks believed in God and smaller gods. They believed the gods gave humans the idea of creativity.Plato was a philosopher.He believed people can be creative because we are made my God who is the creator.Galileo had to follow rules set up by the church during his time of creativity.
ReplyDeletePlato believed that creative power in every art and craft, comes from the Greek gods themselves, thus accepting creativity since it were the gods' inventions. He also believed that the arts were imitations of nature. Everything an artist does, knowingly or not, is imitating nature, and thus also an imitation of an eternal idea. Also, Plato believed that "truth" was more superior than being simple material things.Throughout Plato's writings, it is also asked of others to "imagine" and to "envision" ideas, as that every craft is a valuable art.
ReplyDeleteGalileo was one of the examples given in the past reading. He had to abide by the rules given and set by the church and rule. He was a man of much imagination and curiousity. Of course this rule following wasnt always used becasue he knew different. Since the church was the supreme power they were always considered to be right. So when he came out with the idea that thte world was round and not flat, it took the people by suprise, and the church of course did not like this at all. When he broke these set rules & guidlines he was reprimanded.
ReplyDeleteDa Vinci was a true innovator. His art and drawings have gone onto inspire. He truly thought outside the box. Some of his sketches were rough drafts for inventions that were brought to light years after he thought of them first. While his creativity was able to flourish during his time, it also was not fully in line with counterparts.
ReplyDeleteGalileo and his superior version of the telescope is an example of how he abided by the rules of creativity at the time while managing to break some. With his version of the telescope, he abides by the rules of creativity because of his reasoning of the telescope's use as a naval-military tool, becoming a valuable inventor to the city-state. However, with the telescope, the belief that the Earth was the center of the universe was challenged, leaving church authorities trying to resist but failing. :)
ReplyDelete-Scheifel Ray Garcia
Aristotle believe that his creativity was a mimic of basic ideas of others that one is not creativity on their own creativity must be practiced.
ReplyDelete- Justin Neuschwander
Leonardo da Vinci is one of the most talented person ever to have lived. He was able to put his visions of the world through his art. Leonardo's work are unique because of the innovative techniques, knowledge of anatomy, light, and geology, and his interest in ways the human can show expression, gesture, and tone. However, during his time his creativity wasn't as admirable as it is today,
ReplyDeleteEven though "art", "craft" and "techne" were not viewed as creative at the Renaissance time, Leonard De Vinci claimed that "painters" were a "second God" as s the poets. Throughout his imagination and painting, nature was a primary example. He did not only observe, depict the subject but also express the spirit of the subject in paintings. Kept being innovative has brought him such a success until centuries later. He become even more famous than at the Renaissance time.
ReplyDeleteLeonardo Da Vinci, a man who intrigued many of his time with the blending of art, science, and innovation. In a way he followed the rules of creativity of his time by creating paintings such as the Mona Lisa, but also broke them by taking it to another level with such things as the Vitruvian Man. Now all of his works are known by many throughout the world.
ReplyDeletePlato believed that creativity was a recollection from previous lives he did not believe in creating something new."He thought that only by making something following eternal anyone will make something good and beatiful."
ReplyDeletePlato believed that a craft or any type of art was made by a person it was just imitation of what the gods had already created that no one was creative on their own,or that nobody was born with a special talent. It was all owed the Gods.
Aristotle believed that creativity is a imitation of something else. He did follow the rules during his time but he also believed that creativity is something that can be taught or practice.
ReplyDeleteNatsumi Nishi
ReplyDeleteAbbot Suger is during the medieval period followed the idea of creativity of his time. His gothic church that he directed was made in the image of heaven. The church adorned with jewels, stained glass, beautiful paintings, etc. In a way that he breaks the rule is that during that time their was a rift in the thinking in the church. those who thought that the adornment of painting and jewels and elaborate design for prayer was "satanic," that people were being attracted to worldly possessions rather than devoting themselves to god.
Aristotle states that imitation, harmony and rhythm are natural to us and it is okay to delight in works of imitation or take inspiration from others and represent them in your way. I believe he followed the rules of creativity of his time because of what he believed.
ReplyDelete-Jason Lagao
Leonardo Da Vinci was an inspiration. His paintings weren't just colors blended together. He broke the boundaries by putting art, craft and technology together. At the time there was no real technology or art in the Renassiance. He also reflected his paintings upon society and how he saw the world.He incorporated tone, gestures, and spirit into his paintings that showed the world's visions.
ReplyDeletePlato was a philosopher of the Greek and followed the concept of their gods specific for creating certain things. Creativity to him meant to follow the concept of their gods creating things. Therefore humans to him should be creating things
ReplyDelete- tina kha
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ReplyDeleteIn the early times before the Renaissance, poets, artist, and thinkers were not accepted as "creative". Leonardo Da Vinci somewhat followed the rules of his time by speaking of his inventive-engineering talents before his artistic abilities and also did not sign his works. But, this eventually changed. Leonardo Da Vinci believed that the medieval attitude of toward following traditional authorities was foolish. Leonardo applied art, science, technology, engineering to his great works of art and eventually helped raise the status of artists, which gained growing respect for creative, artistic individuals.
ReplyDelete--Joli Ngo
Plato is a real follower of the creativity pattern, he believes creativity came from the gods, as we learned in class God Creates us, then we create.
ReplyDeleteAristotle followed the rules of creativity of his time. He believed creativity couldve been taught and not just instinct.
ReplyDeleteHomer claims that the gods are creative and give credit to them entirely for his success. In his works Illiad and Odysseus, he showed that their fate was in the hands of the gods. The Greeks believed people should follow tradition and the gods and not be creative. His works, showed the Greeks that their fate was in the hands of the gods.
ReplyDeleteLeonardo Da Vinci is perhaps the most revolutionize painter in history, his drawings are almost in every persons houses. he was an innovator and through his knowledge he took painting to a different level influencing people. All of his paintings had a deeper significance and in someway expressed what was going on during that time.
ReplyDeleteLenoardo Da vinci i believe is a wonderful inspirational painter of his time. He pushed many boundaries with his works , and many people viewed his paintings in a "weird" but influential way. He was considered the "Renaissance Man" of his time, and was respected by many people. In addition to being believed as the smartest man of his time, he also expressed his creativity in a very individual way, that reached out to people, and expanded their creativity with his art work.
ReplyDeleteErica Pagoulatos
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The great Greek philosophers such as Plato, Socrates, and Aristotle were the very first people to break the Greek tradition of creativity. Weiner mentions the "invention" of philosophy and science by Greek thinkers might be viewed as breaking the cyclical perspective. Their new way of theorizing consisted in asking about the causes or first principles of things and coming up with natural, materialist, or abstract answers, as opposed to anthropomorphic, mythological ones. Both the questioning approach and the concern with origins relate to creativity.
ReplyDelete-Myke Huynh
Plato had a traditional mind state because he followed the rules of creativity. He believed that everything was created by gods, and those things were just imitations of the natural world. Others believed that change and modernized ideas were not beneficial to society and perhaps even hazardous. But he believed that if the gods created us, then we have the ability to create as well.
ReplyDeleteLeonardo da vinci, he is the one who considered to be one of the greatest painters all the time and he is a very talent person. He have his own believed and the meaning of his arts. his mind and his personality are mysterious and superhuman.
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